Hello All, First an formost - thanks for this great list - I've been a lurker here for a while now,and I've gathered lots of great knowledge. I've been successful experimenting with various PIC chips so far, namely a few different 16F and 18F chips. So I thought I would check out the dsPIC line and picked up a pic30f4013. From what I can tell, the programmer hardware should still work (i have a JDM-based programmer from Olimax) if I use ICSP. However, the only programming software I can find is a linux based one over at http://homerreid.ath.cx/misc/dspicprg/, and I run Windows (IC-Prog does not yet do the dsPICs). I've also googled and found some commercial products - the ICD2 from MicroChip and the USB programmer from www.mikroelektronika.co.yu. Both of these are nice, but honestly, I'm trying to do this on a shoestring budget. Even spending $90USD on a new programmer is putting me back more than I (or should I say my wife!) would like. So - has anyone developed programming software that will work on Windows with the dsPIC and a JDM programmer? Does anyone know where I would go to find out the requirements for writing my own (I'm a programmer by trade)? Does MicroChip have any docs on how to do this? Thanks for your help!! -Tim -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist