I want to do a bidirectional half duplex communication over a distance=20 of about 10cm (4") which seems quite trivial at first sight. The=20 difficulty is the fact that I have just narrow tunnel with 2,5mm=20 diameter (1/10") for the 4" distance so the LED (TX) and phototransistor=20 (RX) for each end need to be very close together to be able to 'see'=20 each other thru this tunnel. I found a IR-LED and Phototransistor in 0603 packages which could be=20 arranged close enough - just the beam pattern is about 120=B0 so the=20 efficiency is about the worst you can get. Using an optical fiber unfortunately not possible - the tunnel needs to=20 be necessarily empty. I was thinking of using a 45=B0 semi-reflective mirror on each end to hav= e=20 a beam splitter so the LED could look thru straight and the=20 phototransistor sit at 90=B0 for example - but the mechanical assembly=20 probably is a mess and how do you get the 45=B0 mirror well aligned on th= e=20 pcb? Does anybody know of a device with LED and phototransistor in a=20 single package looking thru the same lens? So far I couldn't dig up=20 anything truely useful on Google. The wavelength is not bound to IR - visible light would be acceptable=20 also. For the receiver both phototransistor or photodiode is ok - but=20 just the plain part without any preamplifier or other fancy stuff. Thanks, Tobias Wieler --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist