Spehro Pefhany wrote: > They said "The failure rate could be as high as 30%.". It "could" also be > as low as zero, perhaps. They also didn't say 30% of what... I'm always surprised how much discussion can happen about the actual value of a percentage without anybody knowing the base of that percentage. If I buy one part and it's defective, my failure rate of that part is 100% (at least when using the "popular" meaning of % -- keep in mind that we're not really talking about statistics here :). The failure rate of the lot this part was in probably was something else, the failure rate of the waver batch, of the whole foundry, of the packaging machine, of the manufacturer overall, ... you get the idea. All different average failure rate percentages. So what's the reference of the 30%? The truck load? Give me a break. I don't think they have serious statistics about defect averages in truck loads... :) Then the "could be as high as"... Employing statistics, for any finite selection with finite error rates you get a non-0 probability that there is a failure rate of 100%. And you get a non-0 probability that there is a failure rate up to 30%. So in precise statistical terms, they didn't say squat and just stated the obvious -- yes, the error rate could be as high as 30%, which is something that can be said to have a probability of greater than 0 for any selection of components. To become real, non-obvious information, they would have to have included some more details about their statistic assumptions. Gerhard -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist