Chip selection of PICkit 1 is not that limited after all. Most of the 8/14/18/20pin flash parts will be supported. Please refer to the other post titled "RE: [PIC] Using pickit 1 to program other picmicros". It will support 10F200/202/204/206, 12F508/509/510, 12F629/675/635/683, 16F505/54/57/59, 16F630/676/684/636/688, 16F685/687/689/690, 16F627A/628A/648A (confirmed) and possibly 16F785, 16F913/914/916/917 and 16F873A/874A/876A (not confirmed). It can support even more chips with better PC host program. If we can change the firmware, support for the other 16F and 18F will be okay as well. Of course for the OP, the best choice is ICD2 since he can afford US$150. Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Pookie [mailto:reddx@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 9:06 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [PIC] cheap, trusty programmer? The PICKit1 from MicroChipp for about $35 USD is a great "out of the box" setup for learning pic programming. Has leds, push button, a/d and comparator i/o on board. Chip selection is extremely limited. ... Bill -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist