I was looking at the ICD2, but apparently you need header boards for some PICs., I was also looking at the PICStart plus, and although it is a little above what I was hoping to spend, I think it might be my best option. Thoughts? -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist