I haven't had much trouble getting samples from any of the companies discussed thus far. In addition, we have orders going in to distributors several times a week, so I just ask our purchasing person to get me a few samples of whatever however she can. She will sometimes get free samples, sometimes buy them. Whatever works. Free samples obviouosly cost the manufacturer money, but it is really difficult to design in a part if you can't test your prototype. Manufacturers need to make sure there is a distributor or direct method of buying small quanties of their parts for prototype use. That 5,000 piece minimum order makes it difficult! Harold -- FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist