It is nice to see that cheap Pickit 1 has such great potentials. Please refer to the other subject "[PIC] Using pickit 1 to program other picmicros". Of course, Wisp628 is also a very nice programmer too, especially with the Xwisp2 host software. It can also be used with Olin's EasyProg host software if updated with the EasyISP firmware. Xiaofan -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist