It is pin-compatible. I just download the latest datasheet for the 18F USB parts. I also checked the previous version, nothing changes for the pin-out. RC4/RC5 are used for USB D-/D+. RC6/RC7 are used for USART (TX/RX). This is the same as 16C745. Xiaofan -----Original Message----- From: Mike Hord [mailto:mike.hord@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:08 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [PIC] Using pickit 1 to program other picmicros > > Why not changed it to the new 18F USB parts (also need > > to change the oscillator to 4Mhz or multiply of 4MHz)? I think the fatal flaw there may be pinout. I'm not certain that the newer USB parts are pin compatible- IIRC, the C7x5 PICs use the RC6/RC7 pins as USB, while at least the 18F that I saw the pinout for most recently reserves those for a USART and uses RC4/RC5 (again, from memory) for USB. It's still worth a look- but at that point, you almost may as well be writing your own programmer. Mike H. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist