I recall hearing somewhere that you can actually use the PIC usart levels with the PC without a converter. I haven't actually tryed this, but it might be worth a go. http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/serialio/serial-5-hardware.htm Please check if this will actually work before you try it - I don't want to fry anyones PICS/PCs On 5/6/05, alan smith wrote: > Well....yes it will work without the MAX232 if you are > talking to another TTL device. Remember, the UART is > doing the job of serializing the data, adding in > start/stop bits, etc such that another device that has > a similar serial device set up in the same manner can > communicate with it. Granted that to talk to a PC > serial port you will need to use RS232 levels, thus > the MAX232. All it does is converts the TTL levels to > something else that is more robust than the digital > levels, and can withstand noise that might be induced > on it. You could use RS422, RS485, or anything else > for that matter, because once you convert it back to > TTL its just serial data again, feeing into the rx > uart and then converted back to 8 bit (typical) data > sitting in a register. > > > > > Yahoo! Mail > Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: > http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist