Hello First i want to thank you all for helping me with your comments and suggestions. I think i have found the programmer i was looking for and what remains now is try to build it and test it. It does not support all pics but is enough for my in this stage. If it doesn't work after i build it i thing i will go and buy an Olimex picstart clone (serial or usb; is ~120$ here but...) This is the design i am talking about : http://feng3.cool.ne.jp/en/rcd.html I will be back with comments next week after i build this "monster" :-) Have a nice day and thank you all again dics -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist