James Newton, Host wrote: > Where can a kid get a PIC loaded with a HEX file for whatever so he > doesn't have to build a programmer to get started with robots or > whatever? If you only need this done once or twice, you can probably find someone local with a programmer. However, if the kid is developing a real application, he's going to need access to programming regularly. In that case building a low cost programmer is a worthwhile investment and a lot less hassle and frustration than regularly trying to get someone else to program a PIC for you. Wouter's Wisp or my EasyProg (http://www.embedinc.com/products) might be suitable. An EasyProg bare board is cheap, and you can cut parts costs by not using a ZIF socket. Or if the kid's parents want to encourage his PIC explorations, they could spring for the full kit and have the kid learn something while he puts it together. When I was in late grade school and high school my parents knew I'd always be delighted with a Heathkit as a present. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist