>> However, a high school kid getting bored out of his skull is >> going to start making mistakes. >> That's why you try to "grow" a "manufacturing engineer" instead of treating them like a minimum wage idiot only capable of plugging in a cable and pushing a button (or whatever.) You have an opening ideal for an 'entry level' geek, which is pretty rare. I wouldn't think you'd have any problem filling it with a reasonably intelligent and capable person. (cisco got some of their early manufacturing personnel via a group that fed (semi?) skilled deaf men and women into industry. The group provided ASL interpreters and other assistance, and it worked quite well.) (of course, when it DOES work well, you end up having to keep giving your employees big raises to keep them, but it's generally worth it.) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist