> It almost seems > that other micro manufacturers *intend* to exclude beginners / > hobbyists...why is that? I have no dark-side experiences, but others tell me that Atmel offers software for the AVRs that is compareable. And they have an architecture that makes a GCC port possible. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist