Check this site out for an ICD2 clone http://stolz.de.be/ I built it and it works great as a programmer and works with the MICROCHIP MPLAB interface. I have not been able to make it work in debug mode but this is most likely the way I have bread boarded the project. Also check out http://www.olimex.com/dev/ Look under emulators/debuggers The ICD2 may no cover every chip but its main advantage to me is it directly interfaces with the MICROCHIP MPLAB and this will show you what chips can be programmed when you look under CONFIGURE/SELECT DEVICE... Also it has the advantage of having new chips added as Microchip updates it's MPLAB program. _______________________________________ Roy Tauranga New Zealand _______________________________________ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.0 - Release Date: 29/04/2005 -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist