> Ok, thank you for your answer. The problem is that around here a PIC > programmer that works with almost all pics is about 200 usd > (picstart+) and 200 is quite expensive. One piece of every 16F and 18F PIC would cost you a lot more. If you limit yourself to a more pratical range you might get by with my Wisp628, Olins EasyProg, one of the DIY programmers, etc. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist