Ok, thank you for your answer. The problem is that around here a PIC programmer that works with almost all pics is about 200 usd (picstart+) and 200 is quite expensive. dics >> Is it possible to make a very simple circuit to program EVERY 16F >> and >> 18F pics using ICSP ? RM> No. Some processors do not support ISP. RM> For those that do the circuitry is usually very simple BUT the RM> programming algorithms vary between chips, and keeping up with them is RM> a major task. Part of paying for a well supported professional RM> programmer includes having THEM keep up with the algorithms. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist