> Is it possible to make a very simple circuit to program EVERY 16F > and > 18F pics using ICSP ? No. Some processors do not support ISP. For those that do the circuitry is usually very simple BUT the programming algorithms vary between chips, and keeping up with them is a major task. Part of paying for a well supported professional programmer includes having THEM keep up with the algorithms. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist