While I find the "why don't you do something completely different than the challenge" interesting, it's not useful for what I'm trying to achieve. There is a larger context and the challenge specified the desired task. Think of it as an exam question where you are required to answer the question rather than show your lateral thinking skills :-). Briefly, the battery exists and cannot be changed. Other things run off the battery. The 5v is required to make a potted circuit work stably as intended. I want to generate the 5v from the battery. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist