Russel, To make you happier, HP has an earth day celebration today . Catridges are to be recycled not refilled. BTW a marketing guy prior ex-CEO departure said the "catridge" business model was an accident. Maybe this might distract from the HP dead printer for a moment, The Planet's Most Moronic Hacker, from Ling SM >I am an HP enthusiast from waaaaaaay back - from long long before they split. It takes a lot to turn an enthusiast away. They've managed. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist