Thinking about ECAN (Extra Cheap And Nasty) MODEM ideas. I've got lots of ideas myself but someone may have practical experience with such or some other OTW ideas. I want to trial the use of cheap PRS (UHF CB) transceivers as data transceivers. This is legal in my administration but may not be in some others. I have a pair of transceivers which cost $NZ78 (about $US50) for the pair including 4 rechargeable batteries per unit, a dual bay mains powered charger and a "hands free" ear piece/mike combo per transceiver. Remarkable value even if the quality is not top shelf. The key enabling feature is that these units have VOX (voice operated transmit) and a 2.5mm microphone/earphone jack. This means that audio encoded data can be fed into the microphone circuit and recovered from the earphone circuit thereby allowing 3 wire plug in data connection with no alteration to the transceiver. Part of the reason for doing it this way is to see if doing it this way proves as advantageous as it seems it might. While the "sensible" / professional way to do short range data transceiving is to use any of a large number of available COTS modules, the PRS transceiver approach has some attractions. For $US25 per end you get. - 500 mW transmitter - Aerial - Complete transceiver with battery box - Easily selectable over 40 channels (although data is usually used on a limited number of channels). - Selective tone calling if desired. - Easy access for the uninitiated. - Licence free operation - Ranges of 10's of metres almost anywhere and several km line of sight may be expected. Envisaged uses are various ranging from car alarms (and can send data and audio if desired from car), low data rate telemetry, robot control, ... To interface with typical microprocessor systems a "modem"is required to generate tones for the mic channel and decode received tones. Existing 1200 baud and possibly 2400 baud modem ICs would work fine. These add hardware cost and circuitry to what otherwise might be a trivially simple design. I'm aware of the advantages of "real" modem ICs. I'm interested in the possibility of cheaper alternatives. These may be false economy depending on application etc. A few ideas for ECAN modems are 1. On/Off tone bursts. Processor generates tones or not. Could be 1 pin square wave or PWM shaped wave or ... . Receiver uses diode into resistor load with a parallel cap. Simpler and cheaper you almost cannot get. Nastier would also be hard. System AGC rate must be substantially slower than bit rate. Channel noise will create mayhem. 2. TX generates dual tone FM or mark space modulated frequency or some other tone generation system. receiver processor detects this directly. Hard on receiving processor. Noise immunity poor. Possibly cheaper than 1. 3. Like 2. but receiver uses a tone detector IC or a phase lock loop or some other tone detection system. superior to 2. More complex. Parts count for non-dedicated receiver IC may grow alarmingly. Various XR tone detection ICs and modem ICs of yore come to hand. 4. TX/RX gets real in processor and does "proper" dual tone detection etc. AFAIR Scenix have / had a reference design (with NDA) that would give the general requirements.And this could easily enough be derived from scratch. More computationally intensive. 5. ??? Method 1. or 2. may well work well enough to be used for non critical applications over moderate ranges. I can see this being attractive for hobby robot type use. Thoughts? RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist