Thanks Ake, I'll build the ICD2 clone then, at least it looks much better=
 (IMHO of course) than that weird Microchip's ICD2 round thing. ;-)


At 09.29 2005.04.22 +0200, you wrote:
>I'm very sure that Microchips business focus is on making components not=
 development tools. They have to make tools so we can use there stuff but=
 I'm sure they will applaud any tool that see the market as it most certa=
in will increase there component sales. I'm also sure they probably would=
 not say this on there web page but I can assure you that the will not se=
e a cloning as a bad thing. If you put Microchip name on it it would have=
 been a different thing of course.
>
>Business is business and is about making money and nothing else. Its no =
emotions in this. So when Microchip and other vendors  "is kind" and ship=
 free samples to us this is a well calculated action. The shipping cost i=
s the chip makers only (OK  almost)  cost  and this and the account used =
for this is the same as previously was used for different marketing mater=
ials and printed matters that we now download and print out ourselves. Th=
ings that had a much higher postage cost then what components have.
>
>To help someone  who's main business is to sell components to sell more =
of them can by no means be something you should have morality problems ov=
er!
>
>Cheers
>/Ake
>
>ThePicMan wrote:
>
>>At 18.06 2005.04.21 +0200, you wrote:
>>=20
>>
>>>This is the info  I get from the Microchip site.
>>>
>>>  =20
>>>
>>>>Now, I have to find out what the difference is between these :
>>>>
>>>>3866397  DV164006 MICROCHIP "MPLAB-ICD2 DEV KIT", $356.
>>>>
>>>>    =20
>>>Part Number: DV164006 - MPLAB ICD 2 EVALUATION KIT (w/PICDEM 2 PLUS)
>>>      This kit includes the MPLAB ICD 2 Evaluation Kit (DV164005), a P=
ICDEM 2 Plus demonstration board, power supply, serial cable and USB cabl=
e.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  =20
>>>
>>>>3956477  DV164007 UNBRANDED  "MPLAB-ICD2 DEV KIT", $197.
>>>>
>>>>    =20
>>>This kit is the same as the DV164005, plus the RS-232 serial cable and=
 a power supply.
>>>
>>>
>>>  =20
>>>
>>>>4156924  DV164005 MICROCHIP "KIT-ICD2 BASE MOD AND USB CABLE", $245.
>>>>
>>>>    =20
>>>This kit contains the MPLAB ICD 2 module, an ICD interface cable and a=
n USB cable.
>>>
>>>
>>>Strange... ;-)
>>>
>>>/Ake
>>>  =20
>>
>>
>>Some time ago there was a thread about how to make a DoItYourself ICD2 =
(a clone).
>>
>>Really, I was going to make one myself mostly because I really can't st=
and the
>>look of the original ICD2 and its telephone-like connector.
>>
>>But..
>>
>>Lotsa bad things were said about it, that it's unfair towards Microchip=
 because
>>the money doesn't go where the development was made, etc.. And that sto=
pped my
>>intent, at least for the moment.
>>
>>I may be very limited in my mind, but I really can't see how the Olimex=
 "clone"
>>(although totally redesigned and with a totally rewritten firmware) is =
morally
>>any better than that.
>>
>>What makes it morally more acceptable to give $100 (or whatever it is) =
to Olimex
>>for a product that means less sales for from Microchip's ICD2, versus i=
nvesting
>>in my sweat to make my own ICD2 clone? Sure legally the two things are =
different
>>(although I don't think so if I'm the only user of my work, i.e. if it'=
s not for
>>resale), but.. morally?
>>
>>Food for thought.
>>
>>
>>=20
>
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