I think one simple thing to do would be to publicize that there are fakes out there for sale, who's selling them, etc. At the very least the folks who feel strongly about IP would not purchase one. Regards, Bob happy with my Warp-13A > This is an unauthorized "pirate" copy of the warp13 > programmer as per Jim Robertson. If you do not remove -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist