Sorry I forgot the tag on the first message... Here it is again with the tag. Currently I have a JDM programmer, and thats it. That and IC-Prog have suited my needs. (only 16F and 12F stuff) But I have some applications that would be more suited to a small 10F, and I would like to start playing with the 30F stuff without paying a ton. But seeing as I'm a student, a ton can consist of $40 :-/ . Is there any hope for doing programming on either of these with my JDM? Any good software which supports it? Thanks -- Jonathan Hallameyer -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist