> Since I seem to be losing this one anyway, ... its probably not an > appropriate > subject on our list, since some young folks subscribe... "A man convinced against his will has the same opinion still." This isn't really something you can "lose" on if you talk about it. If you don't change your mind little is lost. If you do change at all it's unlikely (IMHO) that it would be in the liberal direction. By all means offer opinion. Your initial input was valuable. My intention in pursuing this was "awareness raising" - including my own. The greater range of perspectives the better. Apart from offering one web reference I don't think we've done anything that would encourage the young or prurient. The already committed would just go and find a readily accessible porn site far worse than the one mentioned, instead of reading the thread. So far we have one taker for my question list who had no problem with his wife/daughters being so involved. And one who effectively grudgingly concedes the point. (So far convinced against his will :-) ). Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist