>>Maybe we should start a list of wholesome porno? > Not porno by my definition that I am aware of but . . . > Had a look at the front page. Yep. That's porn. Mild by many standards. Picture seemed somewhat misshapen, but that could be my eyes (or maybe they are being arty).. Meets many tests. I'll comment further anon. But to give y'all something to go on with: I'll also get my wife to have a look at some of that site with me (maybe I should get her to look without me :-) ) and I'll see whether she thinks it "... is really good, raising up women as goddesses, promoting loving relationships with stability and honor, and so on. etc" I know that site wasn't being referred to specifically by James when he said that, but I imagine that it would fall within the ambit of what he intended. He can also tell us what Ali thinks, and I imagine Dwayne's wife (or significant other or whatever) could also make useful comment. This could be a lot of fun :-) Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist