> on the rope). The groove in the pully may actually need to be a sharpe V shape > two or three times as deep as the diameter of the rope. Not really. Have you ever looked at the drums used on garage doors? http://www.channel3000.com/exterior/1140134/detail.html photo14 link The groove is the diameter of the cable, round and the depth is half the cable thickness. They seem to work just fine in millions of installations. For the OP method to work, he needs to loop the cable back onto the drum, and have a stiff tension spring to prevent the cable from coming slack as the gate bounces along. Robert -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist