>I have spent hours on the net trying to find the answer but don't seem >to have hit on the magic search terms, I am sure I have seen this done >with some sort of thread on the drive drum but might be dreaming it! Normally there is some form of concave shape like on the windlass of a boat. The rope winds on one side and works its way down the slope and up the other side as the windlass turns. See this picture http://www.c-mesales.com/contents/media/powerwinch_26.jpg -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist