> Russell McMahon wrote:
>> but I'm
>> greatly interested in what other drivers consider reasonable.

> I think this is an area where people's intuition is likely to be 
> quite
> different from fact.  Anything short of real measurements would just 
> add to
> confusion and be a real disservice.

Not at all.
The medium is the message in this case.
Disparate OPINION is what I am seeking, and the legal test, here at 
least, seems to be reasonableness. I know how hard I would consider 
stopping in a a typical orange light scenario. Whether my measure of 
"reasonable" and the law's coincide is yet to be seen. The standard 
used by the official book that everyone here uses to design 
intersections is less rigorous than what I would have applied.


        RM 

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