Just a few points: 1. Most members are NOT censored. Only newbie's and Olin (right?) 2. I never directly said Olin would not be censored. 3. Most of the time we reject message rather than drop them. Olin is the exception because we got tired of arguing with him. 4. Olin has always been welcomed to start his own list and manage it how he likes. I think he has the necessary resources to do so. I will be more than happy to help in any way I can. Seriously. Our concern with allowing that post is that it will generate a bunch of discussion and lead to nothing good. But maybe it will, who knows. I don't care if people think I'm (we're) doing a bad job... They can stay or leave as they like. If the list was only 10 people it would be easier to manage but I think most people are pretty happy and I know we are all open to better suggestions. I really do want to hear better ideas or whatever, but I don't want this to keep coming up, over and over again... ...I'm really tired of all the time this list takes anyway. --- James Newton: PICList webmaster/Admin mailto:jamesnewton@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 phone http://www.piclist.com/member/JMN-EFP-786 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist