> > In other words, start a Hummer, drive it one mile, turn it off. Measure > > the output of CO2 and the amount of energy required to do so. Now > > put a person on a bicycle, at a reasonable pace, and measure CO2 > > output versus energy usage. Who "wins"? > > There is no contest, just put both in their own garage, close the door > and wait. > --- > But more on topic, would you count the CO2 from the driver of the > Hummer as well? :-) Insignificant. After all, the energy required to move a Hummer 1 mile (over, say, 3 minutes) would take several hours for a human sitting behind the wheel to burn. If not longer. It's a fun thought experiment, though. And more to the point, it can reveal a flaw in thinking. One of the favorite arguing points of those who favor large vehicles is that emission standards are now such that 1 gallon of gas in a Chevy Cavalier and one gallon of gas in a Ford Excursion produce roughly the same waste products, so why not drive the Excursion? Never mind the fact that you'll use 3 times the petrol...But then, who ever claimed people are logical? Mike H. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist