>> except that the BIG BOOK is now a proprietary database and >> you are now issued a password to get to it. > But sometimes, a resistor is just a resistor. :) Perhaps. I wonder how many different varieties of "10k ohm resistor" are in the book, and how many are actually needed. Lead times on projects are frequently long enough to get lots of brand new parts approved, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of resistance to adding somewhat random passive components as well. I'll bet our "big book" has 10k resistors in 0603, 0805, 01206, and several different multi resistor arrays. Sigh. I was a bit shocked when I looked at one of our 32 port async cards, for instance. It had 32 instances of a max232 type chip, each with its own 4 or so voltage multiplying caps. Perhaps there was a good reason. Perhaps someone just LIKED 5V only rs232 drivers, and it was already in the "big book" as the result of some more appropriate product (Almost everything has a console port, for instance.) (Of course, the reverse situation also applies. Being unable to upgrade the next design from 16F84 to 16F628 just because the F84 is 'already in the book' is an example that comes to mind.) BillW -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist