Hi All I'm using ICProg and a AN589 programmer. It takes 52s to program the 18F452 (all flash and data) So I'm wondering if that's reasonable. Can anyone say how long it takes using the ICD? Also, does anyone use a free/cheap progger that allows just your program to burn, and not the entire flash? Regards Roland Jollivet -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist