>In this case, she paid outside the gas station by inserting >the card into a reader on the pump itself. No verification >is necessary in those cases; many readers won't even allow >you to use the card in PIN mode. Hmm, good point, you can do this in the UK with the Pay-at-Pump that some of the supermarkets use. You are limited to how much gas you can pump (IIRC it is about GBP60 worth) but no pin is entered. Now lets see, whose credit card can I pinch ... -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist