:: I couldn't get over how antiquated the UK banking system is when I :: moved :: :: here in '97. I worked for a largish retailer, when debit cards were first making an appearence in the early 80's. Originally the pin on a debit card was going to be used, and the company I worked for trailed it for 8 months. However, technology at the time was not what it is today, and a special secure server that actually 'held' onto pin numbers had to be installed and that was actually going to be a server per outlet (then 80 supermarkets and 30 dept stores). There were problems with the server, not least that under certain conditions, the accounting staff had access to pin#'s plus the Civil Liberties people had an apolectic fit with this new fangled stuff. So the banks agreed to treat debit cards similar to cheques in that most banks would not apply the debit for approx 3 days and the security feature was that a personal signature was required. And just for added info, a cheque guarantee card does not guarantee the retailer, the bank will pay. Colin -- cdb, colin@btech-online.co.uk on Thursday,24 February,2005 Web presence: www.btech-online.co.uk Hosted by: www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=7988359 Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until they speak! -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist