I Just wanted to mention... Without modifying the ATM with a video camera one can see the pin used by the last person. Method: Thermal imaging. A picture of the pad would reveal both wich digits are used and even the sequence. Scary, huh? Theese thermal imaging systems are sensitive enough to see the tracks from a tank on snow long after it is gone. Fingers on buttons are a lot easier. Kyrre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Rolf" To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [AD]: Project offer any one interested? ATM scams > Dave VanHorn wrote: > > >> Well, the quality of his web pages, and the short leap from > >> task description to possible application as a credit card skimmer > >> didn't make me feel good either. > > > > You know of course, that your pin does not live on any of the three > > tracks, right? > > Of course. > But micro cameras have made it pretty easy to get a PIN > from careless users. When was the last time you checked > your ATM machine valence for unusual or non-standard > coverings? Our national newsmagazine just ran a 1 hours show > dedicated entirely to the tricks of the trade, to teach > consumers what to be aware of. They showed how a group > of well organized crooks outfitted an ATM in a busy > Calgary location with a camera and faceplate card > skimmer, in LESS THAN 30 seconds. > > http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1105142446966_16/?hub=WFive > > "In just two hours time, the gang got away with 35 > customers' card information. In just a few days they > had collected enough information to steal nearly $650,000." > > What really peeves me is that much more secure systems > than mag stripe technology exists (e.g. smartcards), > but the banking industry isn't YET loosing enough money > to justify the upgrade. Maybe we need to refuse to use their > systems until they upgrade them. And TELL THEM THIS! > > " > Banking experts estimate it would cost the banking system in > Canada approximately $500-million to produce the chip > technology (smart cards) for the debit card system while > debit card fraud costs a mere $44-million in 2003 in comparison. > One might think the banks have concluded it's cheaper to pay > off the bad guys than it is to help the good guys." > > It's only a matter of time before your area sees the same > criminal activity, so please be aware of anything 'unusual' > about your ATM. > > Robert > > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist