>> http://www.tolee.com/html/ATM_fraud.htm If you allowed the card to feed through the dummy reader and into the machine proper the system could function completely normally, allowing proplonged use, as long as nobody noticed the changed machine. Wireless output makes detection less likely. batteries could be changed during anight time ATM visit if pamphlet holder had a quick change battery sustem :-) RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist