>>>Speaking of historic machines, anyone read "Soul of a New Machine?" Excellent story. There are similar books in other disciplines that are equally worth reading, even if you are not involved i that industry. I'll cite several here - names are inexact in several cases. if anyone is especially interested, and Google doesn't help, ask and I'll refine the titles. Engineers (and many others) are unlikely to regret having spent the time taken to read these books. "The ??macleans?? Story" - Brylcreem, toothpaste and more. Fascinating. More a business development story than an engineering one but useful and fun. The IBM 360 story. Also fascinationg. "The Sun, the Stirling Engine and the drive to save the world" (title is a pun). Excellent story very much in the vein of "soul of a new machine". Set in Sunpower as they strive to produce a 10 kW plus solar dish driven Stirling engine for a contract. "Ignition! - An informal history of liquid rocket propellants" An utterly superb read, even if rockets are only of very vague interest. DON'T buy the overpriced, print-on-demand reprint with the shonky pictures. OK to read I guess. Libraries will hage the original. The Boeing 747 story - with a complete history from day one to the 747. Well worth reading. "The seven sisterss" The oil giants story. Far less target friendly than the above, but worth the read. Different but ... "Try anything twice". ?? Young. Autobiography of the man who wrote "Rommel" before anyone else thought to. Unbelievable (but probably mostly true). RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist