Wouter van Ooijen wrote: >> C has encouraged a whole generation of programmers to write >> cutesy obtuse code. > > Nobody denies that! But at least they write somewhat *portable* cutesy > obtuse (that's beyond my knowledge of english, but I can guess) code. C > is often reffered to as 'the best assembler around', so you of all > people should love it ;) (and the object code generated by a C compiler > is in relocateable format!) You seem to be thinking I was talking about C versus assembler, when I was really just commenting about C as a language by itself. It's interesting that the responses I've gotten are mostly along the lines of "experienced C programmers are used to that". I'm sure that's true, but it seems this experience has numbed people to the awful problems inherent in the system. It's kindof like you live next to a polluted river. After a while you don't notice the smell anymore, and you get used to not swimming in the river or growing your vegetables by the river bank. Life goes on and seems normal, and nobody questions the situation since everything is working fine. People from out of town try to point out the deplorable state of affairs, but are shrugged off since everything is working fine. I realize a few posts to the PIClist won't change anything, but I wish there was a way to slap 10,000,000 programmers and get the world to wake up and see the damage and cost of the "standard" programming language. I do all my host programming in Pascal. I'm not saying that's the Right Answer either, but it certainly is a lot better. So are many other alternatives. I'm the guy from out of town and can't believe how all the lemmings of Cland can't see the problem. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist