> I would have also suggested http://www.smd.net.nz/ > > They have many "popular" SMD parts, and they specialise in > selling mall qttys. Just checked it and suprisingly they don't list > the 4017, but it might be worthwhile asking them to introduce > it as a stock item It's a real nuisance. Don't know why it's not stocked anywhere here (that I've found yet). I'd like to be optimistic and hope that one of my enquiries will get a result but think I'll just have a quiet harumph to myself and reluctantly go with DIP. I'll lay out two sets of pads, a big SMT with an SO16 inside it, then at least I can get on with the board -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist