While not justifying poor support, I do think manufacturers are in a difficult position regarding support costs. Consumer products are very price sensitive. The cost of one support call may exceed the wholesale price of the product. If they increase the price of the product to pay for the support, consumers buy the cheaper unit and complain about the lousy support. Manufacturers can't win. Harold > Why didn't you just return the printer and buy something > else (Lexmark, Epson, Canon?). And TELL THEM why you returned > it. They can't fix the problem if they don't know they have one. > > As for HP 'support', yeah, its a bad joke. > > R > -- FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist