According to NIWA Christchurch & Wellington are about the same - approx 13-14MJ/m2 per day (averaged over a year). (from the code of practice ) This only works out to ~156 watts/m2 though so its not adding up. I need to figure out what I'm doing wrong. (On a second look 156watts averaged is 3.744kWh/day so not too far from your figure of 3kW/hr/m2. On this basis savings would be 3.744 x 0.15 x 365 x 3.1 = $635/year at 100% conversion - still a long way off what was indicated to me.) The larger panel would save $840 a year which is getting closer but still less than advertised. As you note, I don't think the efficiency of the simple panel will get anywhere near 100%. The evacuated glass tube types do get up to 80-90% IIRC but convection losses in the flat panel types limit their efficiency particularly if the ambient temperature is low. I guess "efficientcy" is really a misleading term. Losses will depend on the maximum temperature difference reached, while efficiency can be measured at a very low temperature rise where heat losses to the outside are at a minimum. The code of practice (above) only requires that a "measurable" temperature difference be used when evaluating onsite. I'd like to get a price on the evacuated glass types but suspect that they may be exorbitant. I did have a thought about making my own using old flourecent tubes and home-made heat pipes but figured I may have problem getting a good enough vacumn and maintaining it. May not go down too well with "the boss" either unless it's well hidden from view. Hail damage could be a problem also. I'd still like to have a play with the idea however when I get the time !! Richard > The panel size on the costing sheet is named differently from the > ones on > the > glossy handout but they are :- > 2 sqr m > 3.1 sqr m > 4.409 sqr m. > > I suspect the cost sheet is for the middle one & I'll need the > larger > variety (at least). 3.1 x 3 kWh/m^2 * $0.15 x 365 = $600 pa saved. Average of 3 kWh/m^2/day seems more likely for Christchurch. Also panel area will be less than full size. also panel efficiency < 100%. Possibly far less for a non leading-edge design. -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist