Here is an excellent application note on the care and feeding of Vanadium Pentoxide Lithium rechargeable cells. They have a number of excellent features - and some very negative ones as well. Used properly they appear superb. Applied incorrectly they can become expensive junk very quickly. Discharge current for the VL2020 cell that Bob mentioned should not be above 0.2 mA while the cell is above 3v. Charging voltage should be strictly controlled at 3.4 V. Higher, it dies. Lower, it doesn't fully charge. And they are costly. Against these finnicky specs there is the superb 2% per year self discharge rate. This implies a 50 year shelf life - unlikely to be true BUT should be in excess of the 10 years or so of many other Lithiums. http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/battery/oem/images/pdf/Panasonic_Lithium_VL.pdf The VL3032 rated at 100 mAh provides about 11 uA-years of capacity. You'd have to be drawing very little current to make use of any lifetime over 10 years. At those levels some sort of solar or thermal cell may be a better alternative. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist