Hi I don't *think* I've seen this on Piclist - the Newfound website has new firmware (BluePole 1.6) and a new warp13.exe dated 2 Feb 05. "Adds beta support for 18Fxxx PICs that are included in the 39622D programming specification". John -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist