> > A lot of hobbyist projects are wire wrapped, assembled > point to point, > > on stripboard, or homemade PCBs. In all of those cases, > allowing for > > ICSP can add more complexity than it removes. > > > > I'm not sure why dip-clips... > > But doesn't (in curcuit use of) dip-clips add the same > complexity (if any) as any other variant of ICSP ?? > It's it just another, slightly different hardware solution, not ? two different points: 1) your circuit must allow for ICSP (MCLR, RB6, RB7, etc) 2) the physical realisation must allow for connection of the programmer A DIP clip makes 2) trivial (provided that you use a DIP chip). I think the above OP talked about 2). Of course the 1) aspect remains. Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products docent Hogeschool van Utrecht: www.voti.nl/hvu -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist