> It's still a SMPS as the controlling element is operating in switch > mode > not linear, certainly not phase control It's a SMPS by basic definition ie SWITCHED mode power supply. BUT it differs from what people almost always MEAN when they say SMPS. SMPS means to most a device that uses reactive storage as a means of transferring energy at one impedance level to another impedance level. eg High voltage low current to lower voltage higher current. His is EFFECTIVELY a resistive switch. ie it does not transform the energy to a different impedance level by storing it in a reactive element and then using the element differently. Instead it JUST chops the input voltage to decrease it. Iin to the switch block = Iout. By that measure it is not a SMPS as we usually understand the term. It suffers the large disadvantage of needing a conventional main transformer as well as a switch. This disadvantage is accepted by some in exchange for the advantages. > I did propose a phase controlled very simple low cost solution which > seemed to fit most of his requirements He isn't really after a phase controlled solution - that is an unfortunate terminology which he probably picked up from others using the technique. The waveform is chopped multiple times per phase, not once only per half cycle as in traditional techniques. The method has several advantages over conventional phase control. > He didn't even bother to comment > Seems more intent on complaining how misunderstood he is. I think that if you put yourself in his position and read the full thread that you would feel a bit got at as well. If you have grown a thick Olin proof skin, or have an Olin proof filter or are one of his mates who he never attacks then its easy to not see how someone new feels about it. He WAS misunderstood, and improperly. He was also rude and sarcastic in exchange (and technuically wrong in ctriticisng Olins advice). He initially gave a clear technical description of what he wanted to achieve and most did not bother to try to understand the technical description. (I have the advantage of having used this basic method previously). Olin admits that he didn't understand it so he skipped the description. If he had also skipped comment and gone on to be incredibly helpful to someone else, as he often is, then all may be well. Better to ignore than to wrongly criticise technical input. It makes you look silly and doesn't help anyone. > I wonder if there is a hidden agenda Doubt it. It think he's just a bit like me and Olin :-). A bit pig-headed and not willing to be pushed around without reacting in some way or other. We all react differently - Olin gets rude and stops listening to good input, I spout long diatribes, others .... . If we keep this up much longer you can cut another notch on Olin's gun barrel - maybe not a full kill but certainly a powerful assist. Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist