A local establishment in my town, a large converted theatre that has become 
a bar/pub/concert hall, is considering courting my business by banning 
smoking. They will be the second bar to do so, the first was well rewarded 
by extra business.  But they will be the largest, can seat 1000 easily.  I 
have hated it whenever I go there, the air is so nasty.  It would be a great 
place to dance, if it were healthy, and dance would be good excercise, if 
you didn't have to breath that nasty air.

Unlike California, my town has no progressive smoking ordinace that applies 
to bars.  Forward thinking owners are the ones who will realize that they 
will get MORE business, not LESS, by making everyone welcome in their 
establishment.

--Lawrence

>From: "Howard Winter" <HDRW@H2Org.demon.co.uk>
>Reply-To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclist@mit.edu>
>To: "Microcontroller discussion list - Public." <piclist@mit.edu>
>Subject: RE: [OT] Smoking in public (was Perspectives on the Earthquake)
>Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:07:48 +0000 (GMT)
>
>(Tag changed)
>Herbert,
>
>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:10:44 -0500, Herbert Graf wrote:
>
> > Hmm, you know, that's the ONE thing I DREAD about going to Europe: the 
>smoking.
>
>It does depend where you are going - it varies from place to place, in my 
>experience.  Germany and the
>Netherlands seem to be moving towards banning it in most public places, but 
>in France it seems almost to be
>illegal *not* to smoke!  :-)
>
>In the UK we're moving towards the California situation, but slowly.  
>Smoking was banned anywhere on the
>London Underground after the King's Cross fire (1987) where an escalator 
>fire killed 31 people.  It's banned
>on busses and on ordinary trains, but not on outdoor railway stations.  
>It's banned in most shops and offices,
>but restaurants often have smoking/no-smoking areas which don't usually 
>have any physical barrier between
>them.  Smoking in pubs is a big discussion point - in most pubs the air is 
>so thick you have to cut your way
>through it!  There have been proposals to ban it there but a lot of people 
>in the industry are against it,
>saying that it will reduce their business.  It would *increase* their 
>business from me, because I very rarely
>go into pubs these days specifically because of the smoke problem!
>
> > While it's all not perfect, it's FAR better then some of what I've seen
> > in Europe. In Holland smoking was allowed in the airports within the
> > confines of restaurants, bars or casinos. Doesn't sound that bad until
> > you notice that those restaurants and bars are COMPLETELY open, not even
> > glass walls. So, within about a 30 meter radius all you see is haze.
>
>Yes, having non-seperated smoking areas always strikes me as missing the 
>point!
>
> > Please note I'm NOT trying to pick on Holland alone, other places I've
> > been to in Europe were the exact same way (i.e. trains and hardware
> > stores in Austria).
>
>Why should it be hardware stores in particular?  :-)  Some places are worse 
>than others, and it is certainly
>changing, so don't write off the whole of Europe just yet!
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>Howard Winter
>St.Albans, England
>
>
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