> If they're glowing you have an leaky soldering iron. > Or some other source of stray current. A major source of problems in some cases. Try measuring between iron tip and a remote ground with a high impedance meter/scope. Then add eg 10 meg and 1 meg loads and see how much the voltage decreases by. The open circuit voltage is what high impedance devices will see! RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist