> >> i think 5x7 is used because > Back in 1973, at Georgia Tech (USA), a buddy and I wrote programs in Fortran and Algol that would print a banner on computer printout paper. We'd submit the programs on Hollerith card decks with the Data cards being the message we wanted printed. Each letter in the banner would print in a 5x7 matrix using the same letter for each dot. So, the letter A would print with letter "A"s, the B would print with the letter "B", etc. Like this: (view in fixed font) A BBBB A A B B A A B B AAAAA BBBB A A B B A A B B A A BBBB Anyway, we experimented with different matrix sizes and discovered that a 5x7 matrix seemed to fit all letters (upper case only) pretty well so that's what we used. Having an odd number of rows was good so you could have a line in the middle of the character for "A", "B", "E" etc. BTW, the computers we used were Univac 1108 and Burroughs B-5700. Carey Fisher -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist