> Regarding to the matrixes, I've always noticed that most of those > led > signs are usually 5x7 characters. I have no idea why. even > 44780-based > LCDs In the goode olde days when displays were very very very expensive to make and dot matrix printers were trying to take over from fixed character printers (such as daisy wheel, golf-ball, chain, band, etc) and also very very expensive, it was desirable to make characters using as few dots as possible. It was determined that 5 horizontal by 7 vertical was about as small a character matrix as you could get without doing excessive violence to the appearance. You can go smaller and be recognisable BUT it is immediately obvious that you are doing strange things. 5 x 7 usually looks really bad but the characters are instantly recognisable. You CAN produce largely recognisable characters using a 7 segment display! OK for the initiated to recognise but essentially unusable by Joe Average. RM -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist