Hi. I noticed that Microchip is asking 18.77 EUR (aprox $25 USR) for the BFMR "PG164101 - Baseline Flash Microcontroller Programmer" http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1406&dDocName=en020756 I'm seriously thinking about ordering one of those as a "reference" programmer for the 10F's. Has anyone looked more closely at this programmer ? Regards, Jan-Erik -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist